Learning from bad investment

Bad Mutual fund selection and some companies which looked great at the time of investing but later lost a lot of market share.

In mutual fund selection the mistake I did was selecting the fund which has the best performance in last two years? Just based on this incorrect criteria I did the investment.

For company selection my mistakes are:

Kitex Garments

Learning: One major client dependency Jockey who pulled out. So no one major client company investment. Either select company which has product in the market as a brand or have multiple clients.
Bought at very high price. Never buy at high price even if company is great.

Shreyas Shipping

Welspun India

Learning: I didn’t buy this stock at high price. The company has brand. May be bad management decision or not sure need to check company now to see what was the cause of “Egyptian Cotton” fiasco with Tesco. Need to study the company now may be buy now?

Kaveri Seed

Mayur Uniquoters


Buy & Sell

Try to buy stocks when they are distressed. => Safety of margin [ Mohnish Prabai ]

Go for less P/E for long term compounding.

Don’t rush to buy. There are so many companies in the market some of them will be distressed always. Wait for correction.

Whenever buying always think of long term[at least 3 years]

Never sell best performer for profit until you have a good reason. => I have made this mistake with many stocks like Avanti feed, Rain Industries etc.

Never buy something just because it is looking good right now at this price.

No need to go for small cap companies. You will never know much about them.


Don’t buy just because it is a momentum stock do your analysis.

Try not to follow herd go opposite.


Never try to get rich fast. NOPE NEVER!!


Investing Advice

Always try to find at least three reason for not buying a stock.

Whenever you decide upon buying a stock. Always do above step. Just study a little deep and try to reason why it is priced like this by Market. List the three reasons.

Only after listing the three reason(however small or bug they are) decide.


Investing is a marathon and not a sprint so never rush.

Follow system and not goals.

Book Review: The Dhandho Investor: The Low–Risk Value Method to High Returns

Do single company sector analysis at a time. Spend time in understanding the business.

Buy only when you are too much comfortable with the price of a great business.

“Heads I win a lot, Tails I don’t loose much”. Need some more technical insight to price the business properly. Need to understand why exactly the risk of continuous downward trend is less for a company when things are not right.

Simply put I can’t apply the idea with my current understanding. I can only apply smaller parts from the whole idea presented in the book.

I should not study multiple companies in one go jumping from one to another. There is no shortage of opportunity so start focused study of single company at a time with sector analysis. It may not be beneficial right now but will be easier for me in future understanding.

Do not rush to buy when pin pointed on a stock. Wait for an entry point which will minimize your losses in bad scenario. Never buy high.

Q. What if it continues to grow?

Keeping an exit strategy before entering a stock. Like 50% up exit because that is the value of the business and it is costly now.

When you have achieved good profit in short amount of time and looks like most of the juice is gone don’t wait and be greedy sell and exit. Whenever you realized that price you have thought of is achieved.

Q. I do not have this much time to price the business with time and then exit. This also mean I have to keep looking for newer opportunities continuously which is okay but if I sell fast I will need to generate ideas fast and single idea generation is too much effort.


Never go for a company which doesn’t fit your basic principles.

Wait like hawk you will get opportunities


For each business make an evaluation chart and find the price for each

  1. Management (honest, able)
  2. Moat
  3. Long term prospect
  4. Business you understand
  5. Minimal downside
  6. Willing to invest a large part of your net worth (comfortable).
  7. Large discount


Kelly Formula for calculating the exact percentage of your net worth you should be betting.

If a stock is not making proper profit in three years exit. If intrinsic value is now equal to market value then exit. Before making exit you should give it at least two to three years.

Dewan Housing Finance Corp. Ltd. (DHFL)

SRK advertising DHFL. P/E is less in sector if compared with other HFC. Government Housing for everyone will benefit HFC.

DHFL average loan ticket size is 12L whereas CanFin Homes 18L. Who is going to huge benefit from government’s affordable housing scheme?

A focused management with calculated aggression in sales, strong credit appraisal & property appraisal skills and good cash-flow management skills will do well and grow consistently for more than a decade. I think NBFC share of this market will remain above 30% on an average with banks lacking similar focus and strengths to completely wipe them out.

Branches 5 yr loan book CAGR 5 Yr PAT CAGR ROE ROA

LICHF 188 29% 24% 19% 1.60%

GRUH HF 120 24% 32% 34% 2.20%

DHFL 194 55% 35% 18% 1.20%

DHFL has been growing its loan book at an impressive 55% CAGR for last 5 years. The ROE and ROA are not as good as the other two. But during this growth phase it also had to raise equity many times to keep the CAR in line.

DHFL has a superior Net-Int-Margin inspite of a higher cost of fund. It has sold its products at a higher rate and has a very reassuring source of income in fee collection contributing 23% to its income. DHFL is also successful in cross-selling insurance products of other cos. They have a non-retail portfolio of close to 18% compared to less than 10% of LICHF. This might sound risky, but I have explained why it may not be. Due to the above they have better NIM of 2.81% and impressive fee income contribution of 23%.

Trading question



Why not wire some money for quick return Say 10-15% of folio.. Not like momentum investing as that is touch to predict too much technicalities.

I am more toward quick opportunity [although now this is also risky] say Divi’s lab(A pharma company) went for a toll after lot of plants USFDA approval got rejected. This is reversible and they can file again for approval and get it in 3-4 months sometime delayed 1 year depending upon observations found during manufacturing facility audit. Anyway so something happened and Market as usual reacted a lot and you see a good entry point .. the company as such was never in your radar .. But this is a large cap company running like for more than 30 years.
So you go ahead and bet your 10-15% of folio targeting to come out after 3-4 months making quick 10-15%.
Similar example happened with Welspun India [brand name spaces for bed sheet towel] Tesco closed their retail deal after finding out incorrect material used in towel/bedsheet than claimed (claimed was Egyptian cotton) used was some thing else. Tesco was their one of the big client like 10% of revenue I guess. market again judged it to be very bad and pulled down by 30-40 % even more
One bad year or profit due to some reason I recognized which is not long term and may not repeat.
<= Risks:
1. of-course not getting USFDA approval and getting observation after audit from a manufacturing facility tells a lot negative about management Same can be said for Egyptian cotton and Welspun
2. Entry point when do you enter in such scenario sometime stock dip and then recover a bit and then dip again may be one more negative news or even without that.
3. Chance to go down further increases say USFDA rejected then may be Europe also rejects. Tesco closed their deal then may be IKEA is also susceptive now.
These are just two examples but what I am trying to convey is I have wired some money just for this and when such event occur I check upon the company and even if some of the checklist is failed I invest into them. They are large cap so some checklist items are already full-filled by default. Like less debt .. no cash crunch… okay and capable management (bad in other respect).. management is their for long term.. good business .. good moat .. good future [ remember large cap] .. some checklist which may not be fulfilled =>
Not family owned, bad management, still costly(high P/E)
This looks like Future trading but just that it is without collateral so you know how much you can loose (Less tension).  Also you can keep the investment as long as you wish although I will prefer selling it with some loss in 2-3 months max..
But why? Always drive towards simplicity. If you stick to a plan of high saving rate and safe investment than you can’t help but be rich. I don’t understand the hurry and the need to take risk.

If you have recognised many great companies why not earn fast cash by

buying and selling?

let us say one got costly you have other choices.

so buy minimum 1 lakh of the shares and keep on shuffling ?

only problem is trap

you may walk outside your line..

You don’t need to do all this. Just stick to your plan.

All learnings

  1. Simple beats complex. Only invest in large and mid cap companies.
  2. No easy money. Never ever try to get some even if it looks like risk free.
  3. Unsubscribe from all noise in the market.
  4. Fear of missing out. You don’t need lots of ideas. Don’t bother about missed opportunities.
  5. Keep long long term in mind with few ideas. Only when these ideas are exhausted look for new ones.

Action points:

Unsubscribe from most of the newsletter.

Remove all ideas from your multiple portfolios.

Don’t read into each and every company.

Only go for large cap companies.



1. Why bother to read too much and invest too much time into this when I need just a little bit more than avg market index. I don’t want to earn two times of the index. So why this much effort and risk.
Simple beats complex
2. Only invest in large cap and in rare scenario mid cap. I will never go for small cap. Effort on research increases with Market cap. I should not see for quick and easy money(multi-bagger in short time)
There is no easy money.
3. There will always be missed opportunity. I will unsubscribe from most of the newsletter and websites which I was getting or visiting very frequently. These were from the investors who I really appreciate. Still it doesn’t matter.
Keep away from noise.
4. Remove/Delete most of the companies from multiple portfolios and watch lists.
Fear of missing out.
5. Keep limited number of stocks in watch list you will always get a window to buy/accumulate with some missed quarterly result or some other reason. Only when you have exhausted these companies from the list look for outside opportunity.
I don’t need lot of ideas.

Q. What to do about valuation and huge P/E of large cap companies in India? They are already recognized.

Not to worry a lot about this just keep this P/E in back of your mind when deciding you will find some good opportunities with a missed quarterly result or some other reason.

In general people come to equity for easy and fast money so they refrain themselves from these simple and steady ideas. There are Mutual Funds who are forced to buy these due to their technical restrictions and of-course there are some other investors.
Even if these companies have high P/E you will get a window of opportunity where there is a good entry point.
Best part with these companies is downside is less.(Generally price keep constant which is okay). even with small margin of safety there is okay return. Which is what I need.